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			<title><![CDATA[Personal Top Fives of 2009.]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Personal Top Fives of 2009.<br />
<br />
This thread is about the Top Fives that you experienced in 2009.  The item does not have to have an origin in 2009, but it has to have had an impact on you in 2009.  So if you just recently got around to listening to a band or watching a movie, it is fair game for this set of Top Five lists.<br />
<br />
Here are a couple of mine.  I am sure my lists suffer from the recency effect because I can more easily recall things from later in the year… so there might be some later revisions.<br />
<br />
Feel free to post yours and even add new categories that I left out. <br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Books</span><br />
5.  Predictibly Irrational. By Dan Ariely<br />
4.  The Canon. By Natalie Angier<br />
3.  The Greatest Show on Earth. By Richard Dawkins<br />
2.  Surely You’re Joking Mr. Feynman! By Richard Feynman<br />
1.  The Fabric of Reality.  By David Deutsch<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Movies</span><br />
5.  Layer Cake<br />
4.  Whatever Works<br />
3.  Inglorious Bastards<br />
2.  City of God<br />
1.  Primer<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Television</span><br />
5.  Freaks and Geeks<br />
4.  The Office<br />
3.  Arrested Development<br />
2.  Big Bang Theory<br />
1.  Curb Your Enthusiasm<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Lectures / Debates</span><br />
5.  MBB 2009 Distinguished Lecture Series: Brains, Computers, and Minds with Professor Daniel Dennett<br />
4.  Darwin 2009 Lecture: Deceit and self-deception with Robert Trivers<br />
3.  Q2C Quantum to Cosmos Festival<br />
2.  ASU Origins Symposium<br />
1.  Shelly Kagan vs. William Lane Craig: Is God Necessary for Morality?<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Audio Entertainment</span><br />
5.  Rick and Brad KATT<br />
4.  All Things Considered NPR<br />
3.  Talk of the Nation NPR<br />
2.  Tim Minchin<br />
1.  The Beatles<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Internet</span><br />
5.  ISOHunt<br />
4.  Netflix<br />
3.  Pharangula<br />
2.  52 Blogs to Christ<br />
1.  Reddit]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Personal Top Fives of 2009.<br />
<br />
This thread is about the Top Fives that you experienced in 2009.  The item does not have to have an origin in 2009, but it has to have had an impact on you in 2009.  So if you just recently got around to listening to a band or watching a movie, it is fair game for this set of Top Five lists.<br />
<br />
Here are a couple of mine.  I am sure my lists suffer from the recency effect because I can more easily recall things from later in the year… so there might be some later revisions.<br />
<br />
Feel free to post yours and even add new categories that I left out. <br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Books</span><br />
5.  Predictibly Irrational. By Dan Ariely<br />
4.  The Canon. By Natalie Angier<br />
3.  The Greatest Show on Earth. By Richard Dawkins<br />
2.  Surely You’re Joking Mr. Feynman! By Richard Feynman<br />
1.  The Fabric of Reality.  By David Deutsch<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Movies</span><br />
5.  Layer Cake<br />
4.  Whatever Works<br />
3.  Inglorious Bastards<br />
2.  City of God<br />
1.  Primer<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Television</span><br />
5.  Freaks and Geeks<br />
4.  The Office<br />
3.  Arrested Development<br />
2.  Big Bang Theory<br />
1.  Curb Your Enthusiasm<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Lectures / Debates</span><br />
5.  MBB 2009 Distinguished Lecture Series: Brains, Computers, and Minds with Professor Daniel Dennett<br />
4.  Darwin 2009 Lecture: Deceit and self-deception with Robert Trivers<br />
3.  Q2C Quantum to Cosmos Festival<br />
2.  ASU Origins Symposium<br />
1.  Shelly Kagan vs. William Lane Craig: Is God Necessary for Morality?<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Audio Entertainment</span><br />
5.  Rick and Brad KATT<br />
4.  All Things Considered NPR<br />
3.  Talk of the Nation NPR<br />
2.  Tim Minchin<br />
1.  The Beatles<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Internet</span><br />
5.  ISOHunt<br />
4.  Netflix<br />
3.  Pharangula<br />
2.  52 Blogs to Christ<br />
1.  Reddit]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Some short stories from RedSoxSooner]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=330</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:09:12 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[The other night we were talking about my inability to understand fiction to finer degree and I asked RedSoxSooner for some good starting points.  We discussed short stories as they might offer an ease into reading and discussing.<br />
<br />
Here is what he had to say:<br />
<br />
<blockquote><cite>RedSoxSooner  Wrote:</cite>First off I remember we were discussing audio books and podcasts so I'd point you to The New Yorker's website where one author reads a favorite NY story by another author.  <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/online/podcasts/fiction" target="_blank">http://www.newyorker.com/online/podcasts/fiction</a><br />
<br />
I particularly recommend the ones titled 'Reunion, '<a href="http://downloads.newyorker.com/mp3/fiction/080211_fiction_boyle.mp3" target="_blank">One With a Bullet</a>,' '<a href="http://downloads.newyorker.com/mp3/fiction/080407_fiction_erdrich.mp3" target="_blank">This Is It</a>,' '<a href="http://downloads.newyorker.com/mp3/fiction/080915_fiction_wolff.mp3" target="_blank">Off Base</a>,' '<a href="http://downloads.newyorker.com/mp3/fiction/090109_fiction_mcguane.mp3" target="_blank">The Living Dead</a>,' and '<a href="http://downloads.newyorker.com/mp3/fiction/090508_fiction_wolff.mp3" target="_blank">Knife In the Eye.</a>'  For some reason the podcast titles don't match the story titles.  In any case, they're all good, easy to follow ways to dip your toe into the water.  [links go to MP3s&#93;<br />
<br />
Joyce Carol Oates' <a href="http://jco.usfca.edu/works/wgoing/text.html" target="_blank">"Where Are You Going, Where Have You Been?"</a> is one of the genre's classics and I've always found that students respond well to it. <br />
<br />
Ditto this one by Flannery O'Connor: <a href="http://www.turksheadreview.com/library/texts/oconnor-goodmanhard.html" target="_blank">A Good Man Is Hard To Find</a>.<br />
<br />
And this one by John Updike: <a href="http://www.tiger-town.com/whatnot/updike/%20" target="_blank">A&#x26;P</a> <br />
<br />
This is my favorite thing J.D. Salinger ever wrote: <a href="http://www.freeweb.hu/tchl/salinger/squalor.html" target="_blank">For Esmé - with Love and Squalor.</a><br />
<br />
<br />
This is my favorite short story of recent years: <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2000/06/19/2000_06_19_130_TNY_LIBRY_000021107" target="_blank">The Smoker by David Schickler </a><br />
<br />
I think you guys would both like this Kurt Vonnegut story:  <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=E79awtsD3tYC&amp;pg=PA227&amp;lpg=PA227&amp;dq=vonnegut+welcome+to+the+monkey+house+short+story&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=TxrDDCIFax&amp;sig=O20JqUCe_APMp_XzSz_bRBg3CuU&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=nk7ZSrySBcWj8Aahxe22BQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=2&amp;ved=0CBEQ6AEwATgo#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false" target="_blank">Welcome to the Monkey House.</a><br />
<br />
Well this seems like plenty to start with.  I hope you enjoy them.  Or at least some of them.</blockquote>
<br />
So here is a place we can learn and discuss.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[The other night we were talking about my inability to understand fiction to finer degree and I asked RedSoxSooner for some good starting points.  We discussed short stories as they might offer an ease into reading and discussing.<br />
<br />
Here is what he had to say:<br />
<br />
<blockquote><cite>RedSoxSooner  Wrote:</cite>First off I remember we were discussing audio books and podcasts so I'd point you to The New Yorker's website where one author reads a favorite NY story by another author.  <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/online/podcasts/fiction" target="_blank">http://www.newyorker.com/online/podcasts/fiction</a><br />
<br />
I particularly recommend the ones titled 'Reunion, '<a href="http://downloads.newyorker.com/mp3/fiction/080211_fiction_boyle.mp3" target="_blank">One With a Bullet</a>,' '<a href="http://downloads.newyorker.com/mp3/fiction/080407_fiction_erdrich.mp3" target="_blank">This Is It</a>,' '<a href="http://downloads.newyorker.com/mp3/fiction/080915_fiction_wolff.mp3" target="_blank">Off Base</a>,' '<a href="http://downloads.newyorker.com/mp3/fiction/090109_fiction_mcguane.mp3" target="_blank">The Living Dead</a>,' and '<a href="http://downloads.newyorker.com/mp3/fiction/090508_fiction_wolff.mp3" target="_blank">Knife In the Eye.</a>'  For some reason the podcast titles don't match the story titles.  In any case, they're all good, easy to follow ways to dip your toe into the water.  [links go to MP3s]<br />
<br />
Joyce Carol Oates' <a href="http://jco.usfca.edu/works/wgoing/text.html" target="_blank">"Where Are You Going, Where Have You Been?"</a> is one of the genre's classics and I've always found that students respond well to it. <br />
<br />
Ditto this one by Flannery O'Connor: <a href="http://www.turksheadreview.com/library/texts/oconnor-goodmanhard.html" target="_blank">A Good Man Is Hard To Find</a>.<br />
<br />
And this one by John Updike: <a href="http://www.tiger-town.com/whatnot/updike/%20" target="_blank">A&P</a> <br />
<br />
This is my favorite thing J.D. Salinger ever wrote: <a href="http://www.freeweb.hu/tchl/salinger/squalor.html" target="_blank">For Esmé - with Love and Squalor.</a><br />
<br />
<br />
This is my favorite short story of recent years: <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2000/06/19/2000_06_19_130_TNY_LIBRY_000021107" target="_blank">The Smoker by David Schickler </a><br />
<br />
I think you guys would both like this Kurt Vonnegut story:  <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=E79awtsD3tYC&amp;pg=PA227&amp;lpg=PA227&amp;dq=vonnegut+welcome+to+the+monkey+house+short+story&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=TxrDDCIFax&amp;sig=O20JqUCe_APMp_XzSz_bRBg3CuU&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=nk7ZSrySBcWj8Aahxe22BQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=2&amp;ved=0CBEQ6AEwATgo#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false" target="_blank">Welcome to the Monkey House.</a><br />
<br />
Well this seems like plenty to start with.  I hope you enjoy them.  Or at least some of them.</blockquote>
<br />
So here is a place we can learn and discuss.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[More Minchin]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=329</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:54:00 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.vimeo.com/5759862" target="_blank">http://www.vimeo.com/5759862</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.vimeo.com/5769007" target="_blank">http://www.vimeo.com/5769007</a><br />
<br />
Funny Stuff]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.vimeo.com/5759862" target="_blank">http://www.vimeo.com/5759862</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.vimeo.com/5769007" target="_blank">http://www.vimeo.com/5769007</a><br />
<br />
Funny Stuff]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[The Beautiful and weired things about love...]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=327</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:17:29 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Love is eyed<br />
Love is sweet<br />
Love is bitter<br />
Love is care<br />
Love is hesitation<br />
Love is bare<br />
Love is dare<br />
Love is peace<br />
Love is violent<br />
Love is clear<br />
Love is dirty<br />
Love is prominent<br />
Love is contaminate<br />
Love is heaven<br />
Love is hell<br />
Love is crashing<br />
Love is sticky<br />
Love is critical<br />
Love is mythological<br />
Love is brittle<br />
Love is malleable<br />
Love is capable<br />
Love is stressful<br />
Love is innocent<br />
Love is violent<br />
Love is best<br />
Love is worst<br />
Love is nothing<br />
But love is everything<br />
Love is god<br />
Love is devil<br />
Love is evil<br />
Love is shining sun<br />
Love is blinking moon<br />
Love is beautiful earth<br />
Love is the worst larva of earth<br />
Love is hurting<br />
Love is paining<br />
But love is lovable and love is pain clear<br />
Love is like this<br />
Love is like that<br />
Love is too much<br />
I can not describe<br />
Look in side dear reader<br />
You will find love<br />
everywhere hidden but prominent when looks closer<br />
Love is not enough to understand but its<br />
For me is love<br />
I love the love and love doesnot love me]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Love is eyed<br />
Love is sweet<br />
Love is bitter<br />
Love is care<br />
Love is hesitation<br />
Love is bare<br />
Love is dare<br />
Love is peace<br />
Love is violent<br />
Love is clear<br />
Love is dirty<br />
Love is prominent<br />
Love is contaminate<br />
Love is heaven<br />
Love is hell<br />
Love is crashing<br />
Love is sticky<br />
Love is critical<br />
Love is mythological<br />
Love is brittle<br />
Love is malleable<br />
Love is capable<br />
Love is stressful<br />
Love is innocent<br />
Love is violent<br />
Love is best<br />
Love is worst<br />
Love is nothing<br />
But love is everything<br />
Love is god<br />
Love is devil<br />
Love is evil<br />
Love is shining sun<br />
Love is blinking moon<br />
Love is beautiful earth<br />
Love is the worst larva of earth<br />
Love is hurting<br />
Love is paining<br />
But love is lovable and love is pain clear<br />
Love is like this<br />
Love is like that<br />
Love is too much<br />
I can not describe<br />
Look in side dear reader<br />
You will find love<br />
everywhere hidden but prominent when looks closer<br />
Love is not enough to understand but its<br />
For me is love<br />
I love the love and love doesnot love me]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Socialism]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=326</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:07:12 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Pulled off the internet..........another product of stupid socialism.....<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
"This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by socialist electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the socialist clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the socialist radio to one of the FCC regulated channels to hear what the socialist National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using socialist satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of socialist US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the socialist drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.<br />
<br />
At the appropriate time as kept accurate by the socialist National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my socialist National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the socialist roads build by the socialist local,state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the socialist Environmental Protection Agency, using socialist legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the socialist US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the socialist public school. <br />
<br />
If I get lost, I can use my socialist GPS navigation technology developed by the United States Department of Defense and made available to the public in 1996 by President Bill Clinton who issued a policy directive declaring socialist GPS to be a dual-use military/civilian system to be managed as a national socialist asset. <br />
<br />
After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the socialist workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the socialist USDA, I drive my socialist NHTSA car back home on the socialist DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the socialist state and local building codes and socialist fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it's valuables thanks to the socialist local police department. <br />
<br />
I then get on my computer and use the socialist internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and browse the socialist World Wide Web using my graphical web browser, both made possible by Al Gore's socialist High Performance Computing and Communication Act of1991. I then post on freerepublic.com &lt;http://freerepublic.com/&gt;&lt;http://freerepublic.com/&gt; and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right."]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Pulled off the internet..........another product of stupid socialism.....<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
"This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by socialist electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the socialist clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the socialist radio to one of the FCC regulated channels to hear what the socialist National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using socialist satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of socialist US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the socialist drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.<br />
<br />
At the appropriate time as kept accurate by the socialist National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my socialist National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the socialist roads build by the socialist local,state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the socialist Environmental Protection Agency, using socialist legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the socialist US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the socialist public school. <br />
<br />
If I get lost, I can use my socialist GPS navigation technology developed by the United States Department of Defense and made available to the public in 1996 by President Bill Clinton who issued a policy directive declaring socialist GPS to be a dual-use military/civilian system to be managed as a national socialist asset. <br />
<br />
After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the socialist workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the socialist USDA, I drive my socialist NHTSA car back home on the socialist DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the socialist state and local building codes and socialist fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it's valuables thanks to the socialist local police department. <br />
<br />
I then get on my computer and use the socialist internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and browse the socialist World Wide Web using my graphical web browser, both made possible by Al Gore's socialist High Performance Computing and Communication Act of1991. I then post on freerepublic.com &lt;http://freerepublic.com/&gt;&lt;http://freerepublic.com/&gt; and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right."]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[The Gossage—Vardebedian Papers  By Woody Allen]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=324</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:11:18 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[My Dear Vardebedian:<br />
<br />
I was more than a bit chagrined today, on going through the morning's mail, to find that my letter of September 16, containing my twenty-second move (knight to the king's fourth square), was returned unopened due to a small error in addressing—precisely, the omission of your name and residence (how Freudian can one get?), coupled with a failure to append postage. That I have been disconcerted of late due to equivocation in the stock market is no secret, and though on the above-mentioned September 16 the culmination of a long-standing downward spiral dropped Amalgamated-Matter off the Big Board once and for all, reducing my broker suddenly to the legume family, I do not offer this as an excuse for my negligence and monumental ineptitude. I goofed. Forgive me. That you failed to notice the missing letter indicated a certain disconcertion on your part, which I put down to zeal, but heaven knows we all make mistakes. That's life—and chess.<br />
<br />
Well, then, the error laid bare, simple rectification follows. If you would be so good as to transfer my knight to your king's fourth square I think we may proceed with our little game more accurately. The announcement of checkmate which you made in this morning's mail is, I fear, in all fairness, a false alarm, and if you will reëxamine the positions in light of today's discovery, you will find that it is your king that lies close to mate, exposed and undefended, an immobile target for my predatory bishops. Ironic, the vicissitudes of miniature war! Fate, in the guise of the dead-letter office, waxes omnipotent and—voilà!—the worm turns. Once again, I beg you accept sincerest apologies for the unfortunate carelessness, and I await anxiously your next move.<br />
<br />
Enclosed is my forty-fifth move: My knight captures your queen.<br />
<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Gossage<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Gossage:<br />
<br />
Received the letter this morning containing your forty-fifth move (your knight captures my queen?), and also your lengthy explanation regarding the mid-September ellipsis in our correspondence. Let me see if I understand you correctly. Your knight, which I removed from the board weeks ago, you now claim should be resting on the king's fourth square, owing to a letter lost in the mail twenty-three moves ago. I was not aware that any such mishap had occurred, and remember distinctly your making a twenty-second move, which I think was your rook to the queen's sixth square, where it was subsequently butchered in a gambit of yours that misfired tragically.<br />
<br />
Currently, the king's fourth square is occupied by my rook, and as you are knightless, the dead-letter office notwithstanding, I cannot quite understand what piece you are using to capture my queen with. What I think you mean, as most of your pieces are blockaded, is that you request your king be moved to my bishop's fourth square (your only possibility)—an adjustment I have taken the liberty of making and then countering with today's move, my forty-sixth, wherein I capture your queen and put your king in check. Now your letter becomes clearer.<br />
<br />
I think now the last remaining moves of the game can be played out with smoothness and alacrity.<br />
<br />
Faithfully,<br />
Vardebedian<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Vardebedian:<br />
<br />
I have just finished perusing your latest note, the one containing a bizarre forty-sixth move dealing with the removal of my queen from a square on which it has not rested for eleven days. Through patient calculation, I think I have hit upon the cause of your confusion and misunderstanding of the existing facts. That your rook rests on the king's fourth square is an impossibility commensurate with two like snowflakes; if you will refer back to the ninth move of the game, you will see clearly that your rook has long been captured. Indeed, it was that same daring sacrificial combination that ripped your center and cost you both your rooks. What are they doing on the board now?<br />
<br />
I offer for your consideration that what happened is as follows: The intensity of foray and whirlwind exchanges on and about the twenty-second move left you in a state of slight dissociation, and in your anxiety to hold your own at that point you failed to notice that my usual letter was not forthcoming but instead moved your own pieces twice, giving you a somewhat unfair advantage, wouldn't you say? This is over and done with, and to retrace our steps tediously would be difficult, if not impossible. Therefore, I feel the best way to rectify this entire matter is to allow me the opportunity of two consecutive moves at this time. Fair is fair.<br />
<br />
First, then, I take your bishop with my pawn. Then, as this leaves your queen unprotected, I capture her also. I think we can now proceed with the last stages unhampered.<br />
<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Gossage<br />
<br />
P.S.: I am enclosing a diagram showing exactly how the board now looks, for your edification in your closing play. As you can see, your king is trapped, unguarded and alone in the center. Best to you.<br />
<br />
G<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Gossage:<br />
<br />
Received your latest letter today, and while it was just shy of coherence, I think I can see where your bewilderment lies. From your enclosed diagram, it has become apparent to me that for the past six weeks we have been playing two completely different chess games—myself according to our correspondence, you more in keeping with the world as you would have it, rather than with any rational system of order. The knight move which allegedly got lost in the mail would have been impossible on the twenty-second move, as the piece was then standing on the edge of the last file, and the move you describe would have brought it to rest on the coffee table, next to the board.<br />
<br />
As for granting you two consecutive moves to make up for one allegedly lost in the mail—surely you jest, Pops. I will honor your first move (you take my bishop), but I cannot allow the second, and as it is now my turn, I retaliate by removing your queen with my rook. The fact that you tell me I have no rooks means little in actuality, as I need only glance downward at the board to see them darting about with cunning and vigor.<br />
<br />
Finally, that diagram of what you fantasize the board to look like indicates a freewheeling, Marx Brothers approach to the game, and, while amusing, this hardly speaks well for your assimilation of Nimzowitsch on Chess, which you hustled from the library under your alpaca sweater last winter, because I saw you. I suggest you study the diagram I enclose and rearrange your board accordingly, that we might finish up with some degree of precision.<br />
<br />
Hopfully,<br />
Vardebedian<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Vardebedian,<br />
<br />
Not wanting to protract an already disoriented business (I know your recent illness has left your usually hardy constitution somewhat fragmented and disorganized, causing a mild breach with the real world as we know it), I must take this opportunity to undo our sordid tangle of circumstances before it progresses irrevocably to a Kafkaesque conclusion.<br />
<br />
Had I realized you were not gentleman enough to allow me an equalizing second move, I would not, on my forty-sixth move, have permitted my pawn to capture your bishop. According to your own diagram, in fact, these two pieces were so placed as to render that impossible, bound as we are to rules established by the World Chess Federation and not the New York State Boxing Commission. Without doubting that your intent was constructive in removing my queen, I interject that only disaster can ensue when you arrogate to yourself this arbitrary power of decision and begin to play dictator, masking tactical blunders with duplicity and aggression—a habit you decried in our world leaders several months ago in your paper on "De Sade and Non-Violence."<br />
<br />
Unfortunately, the game having gone on non-stop, I have not been able to calculate exactly on which square you ought to replace the purloined knight, and I suggest we leave it to the gods by having me close my eyes and toss it back on the board, agreeing to accept whatever spot it may land on. It should add an element of spice to our litter encounter. My forty-seventh move: My rook captures your knight.<br />
<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Gossage<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Gossage:<br />
<br />
How curious your last letter was! Well-intentioned, concise, containing all the elements that appear to make up what passes among certain reference groups as a communicative effect, yet tinged throughout by what Jean-Paul Sartre is so fond of referring to as "nothingness." One is immediately struck by a profound sense of despair, and reminded vividly of the diaries sometimes left by doomed explorers lost at the Pole, or the letters of German soldiers at Stalingrad. Fascinating how the senses disintegrate when faced with an occasional black truth, and scamper amuck, substantiating mirage and constructing a precarious buffer against the onslaught of all too terrifying existence!<br />
<br />
Be that as it may, my friend, I have just spent the better part of a week sorting out the miasma of lunatic alibis known as your correspondence in an effort to adjust matters, that our game may be finished simply once and for all. Your queen is gone. Kiss it off. So are both your rooks. Forget about one bishop altogether, because I took it. The other is so impotently placed away from the main action of the game that don't count on it or it'll break your heart.<br />
<br />
As regards the knight you lost squarely but refuse to give up, I have replaced it at the only conceivable position it could appear, thus granting you the most incredible brace of unorthodoxies since the Persians whipped up this little diversion way back when. It lies at my bishop's seventh square, and if you can pull your ebbing faculties together long enough to appraise the board you will notice this same coveted piece now blocks your king's only means of escape from my suffocating pincer. How fitting that your greedy plot be turned to my advantage! The knight, groveling its way back into play, torpedoes your end game!<br />
<br />
My move is queen to knight five, and I predict mate in one move.<br />
<br />
Cordially,<br />
Vardebedian<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Vardebedian:<br />
<br />
Obviously the constant tension incurred defending a series of numbingly hopeless chess positions has rendered the delicate machinery of your psychic apparatus sluggish, leaving its grasp of external phenomena a jot flimsy. You give me no alternative but to end the contest swiftly and mercifully, removing the pressure before it leaves you permanently damaged.<br />
<br />
Knight—yes, knight!—to queen six. Check.<br />
<br />
Gossage<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Gossage:<br />
<br />
Bishop to queen five. Checkmate.<br />
<br />
Sorry the competition proved too much for you, but if it's any consolation, several local chess masters have, upon observing your technique, flipped out. Should you want a rematch, I suggest we try Scrabble, a relatively new interest of mine, and one that I might conceivably not run away with so easily.<br />
<br />
Vardebedian<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Vardebedian,<br />
<br />
Rook to knight eight. Checkmate.<br />
<br />
Rather than torment you with the further details of my mate, as I believe you are basically a decent man (one day, some form of therapy will bear me out), I accept your invitation to Scrabble in good spirits. Get out your set. Since you played white in chess and thereby enjoyed the advantage of the first move (had I known your limitations, I would have spotted you more), I shall make the first play. The seven letters I have just turned up are O, A, E, J, N, R, and Z—an unpromising jumble that should guarantee, even to the most suspicious, the integrity of my draw. Fortunately, however, an extensive vocabulary coupled with a penchant for esoterica, has enabled me to bring etymological order out of what, to one less literate, might seem a mishmash. My first word is "ZANJERO." Look it up. Now lay it out, horizontally, the E resting on the center square. Count carefully, not overlooking the double word score for an opening move and the fifty-point bonus for my use of all seven letters. The score is now 116—0.<br />
<br />
Your move.<br />
Gossage]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[My Dear Vardebedian:<br />
<br />
I was more than a bit chagrined today, on going through the morning's mail, to find that my letter of September 16, containing my twenty-second move (knight to the king's fourth square), was returned unopened due to a small error in addressing—precisely, the omission of your name and residence (how Freudian can one get?), coupled with a failure to append postage. That I have been disconcerted of late due to equivocation in the stock market is no secret, and though on the above-mentioned September 16 the culmination of a long-standing downward spiral dropped Amalgamated-Matter off the Big Board once and for all, reducing my broker suddenly to the legume family, I do not offer this as an excuse for my negligence and monumental ineptitude. I goofed. Forgive me. That you failed to notice the missing letter indicated a certain disconcertion on your part, which I put down to zeal, but heaven knows we all make mistakes. That's life—and chess.<br />
<br />
Well, then, the error laid bare, simple rectification follows. If you would be so good as to transfer my knight to your king's fourth square I think we may proceed with our little game more accurately. The announcement of checkmate which you made in this morning's mail is, I fear, in all fairness, a false alarm, and if you will reëxamine the positions in light of today's discovery, you will find that it is your king that lies close to mate, exposed and undefended, an immobile target for my predatory bishops. Ironic, the vicissitudes of miniature war! Fate, in the guise of the dead-letter office, waxes omnipotent and—voilà!—the worm turns. Once again, I beg you accept sincerest apologies for the unfortunate carelessness, and I await anxiously your next move.<br />
<br />
Enclosed is my forty-fifth move: My knight captures your queen.<br />
<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Gossage<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Gossage:<br />
<br />
Received the letter this morning containing your forty-fifth move (your knight captures my queen?), and also your lengthy explanation regarding the mid-September ellipsis in our correspondence. Let me see if I understand you correctly. Your knight, which I removed from the board weeks ago, you now claim should be resting on the king's fourth square, owing to a letter lost in the mail twenty-three moves ago. I was not aware that any such mishap had occurred, and remember distinctly your making a twenty-second move, which I think was your rook to the queen's sixth square, where it was subsequently butchered in a gambit of yours that misfired tragically.<br />
<br />
Currently, the king's fourth square is occupied by my rook, and as you are knightless, the dead-letter office notwithstanding, I cannot quite understand what piece you are using to capture my queen with. What I think you mean, as most of your pieces are blockaded, is that you request your king be moved to my bishop's fourth square (your only possibility)—an adjustment I have taken the liberty of making and then countering with today's move, my forty-sixth, wherein I capture your queen and put your king in check. Now your letter becomes clearer.<br />
<br />
I think now the last remaining moves of the game can be played out with smoothness and alacrity.<br />
<br />
Faithfully,<br />
Vardebedian<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Vardebedian:<br />
<br />
I have just finished perusing your latest note, the one containing a bizarre forty-sixth move dealing with the removal of my queen from a square on which it has not rested for eleven days. Through patient calculation, I think I have hit upon the cause of your confusion and misunderstanding of the existing facts. That your rook rests on the king's fourth square is an impossibility commensurate with two like snowflakes; if you will refer back to the ninth move of the game, you will see clearly that your rook has long been captured. Indeed, it was that same daring sacrificial combination that ripped your center and cost you both your rooks. What are they doing on the board now?<br />
<br />
I offer for your consideration that what happened is as follows: The intensity of foray and whirlwind exchanges on and about the twenty-second move left you in a state of slight dissociation, and in your anxiety to hold your own at that point you failed to notice that my usual letter was not forthcoming but instead moved your own pieces twice, giving you a somewhat unfair advantage, wouldn't you say? This is over and done with, and to retrace our steps tediously would be difficult, if not impossible. Therefore, I feel the best way to rectify this entire matter is to allow me the opportunity of two consecutive moves at this time. Fair is fair.<br />
<br />
First, then, I take your bishop with my pawn. Then, as this leaves your queen unprotected, I capture her also. I think we can now proceed with the last stages unhampered.<br />
<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Gossage<br />
<br />
P.S.: I am enclosing a diagram showing exactly how the board now looks, for your edification in your closing play. As you can see, your king is trapped, unguarded and alone in the center. Best to you.<br />
<br />
G<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Gossage:<br />
<br />
Received your latest letter today, and while it was just shy of coherence, I think I can see where your bewilderment lies. From your enclosed diagram, it has become apparent to me that for the past six weeks we have been playing two completely different chess games—myself according to our correspondence, you more in keeping with the world as you would have it, rather than with any rational system of order. The knight move which allegedly got lost in the mail would have been impossible on the twenty-second move, as the piece was then standing on the edge of the last file, and the move you describe would have brought it to rest on the coffee table, next to the board.<br />
<br />
As for granting you two consecutive moves to make up for one allegedly lost in the mail—surely you jest, Pops. I will honor your first move (you take my bishop), but I cannot allow the second, and as it is now my turn, I retaliate by removing your queen with my rook. The fact that you tell me I have no rooks means little in actuality, as I need only glance downward at the board to see them darting about with cunning and vigor.<br />
<br />
Finally, that diagram of what you fantasize the board to look like indicates a freewheeling, Marx Brothers approach to the game, and, while amusing, this hardly speaks well for your assimilation of Nimzowitsch on Chess, which you hustled from the library under your alpaca sweater last winter, because I saw you. I suggest you study the diagram I enclose and rearrange your board accordingly, that we might finish up with some degree of precision.<br />
<br />
Hopfully,<br />
Vardebedian<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Vardebedian,<br />
<br />
Not wanting to protract an already disoriented business (I know your recent illness has left your usually hardy constitution somewhat fragmented and disorganized, causing a mild breach with the real world as we know it), I must take this opportunity to undo our sordid tangle of circumstances before it progresses irrevocably to a Kafkaesque conclusion.<br />
<br />
Had I realized you were not gentleman enough to allow me an equalizing second move, I would not, on my forty-sixth move, have permitted my pawn to capture your bishop. According to your own diagram, in fact, these two pieces were so placed as to render that impossible, bound as we are to rules established by the World Chess Federation and not the New York State Boxing Commission. Without doubting that your intent was constructive in removing my queen, I interject that only disaster can ensue when you arrogate to yourself this arbitrary power of decision and begin to play dictator, masking tactical blunders with duplicity and aggression—a habit you decried in our world leaders several months ago in your paper on "De Sade and Non-Violence."<br />
<br />
Unfortunately, the game having gone on non-stop, I have not been able to calculate exactly on which square you ought to replace the purloined knight, and I suggest we leave it to the gods by having me close my eyes and toss it back on the board, agreeing to accept whatever spot it may land on. It should add an element of spice to our litter encounter. My forty-seventh move: My rook captures your knight.<br />
<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Gossage<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Gossage:<br />
<br />
How curious your last letter was! Well-intentioned, concise, containing all the elements that appear to make up what passes among certain reference groups as a communicative effect, yet tinged throughout by what Jean-Paul Sartre is so fond of referring to as "nothingness." One is immediately struck by a profound sense of despair, and reminded vividly of the diaries sometimes left by doomed explorers lost at the Pole, or the letters of German soldiers at Stalingrad. Fascinating how the senses disintegrate when faced with an occasional black truth, and scamper amuck, substantiating mirage and constructing a precarious buffer against the onslaught of all too terrifying existence!<br />
<br />
Be that as it may, my friend, I have just spent the better part of a week sorting out the miasma of lunatic alibis known as your correspondence in an effort to adjust matters, that our game may be finished simply once and for all. Your queen is gone. Kiss it off. So are both your rooks. Forget about one bishop altogether, because I took it. The other is so impotently placed away from the main action of the game that don't count on it or it'll break your heart.<br />
<br />
As regards the knight you lost squarely but refuse to give up, I have replaced it at the only conceivable position it could appear, thus granting you the most incredible brace of unorthodoxies since the Persians whipped up this little diversion way back when. It lies at my bishop's seventh square, and if you can pull your ebbing faculties together long enough to appraise the board you will notice this same coveted piece now blocks your king's only means of escape from my suffocating pincer. How fitting that your greedy plot be turned to my advantage! The knight, groveling its way back into play, torpedoes your end game!<br />
<br />
My move is queen to knight five, and I predict mate in one move.<br />
<br />
Cordially,<br />
Vardebedian<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Vardebedian:<br />
<br />
Obviously the constant tension incurred defending a series of numbingly hopeless chess positions has rendered the delicate machinery of your psychic apparatus sluggish, leaving its grasp of external phenomena a jot flimsy. You give me no alternative but to end the contest swiftly and mercifully, removing the pressure before it leaves you permanently damaged.<br />
<br />
Knight—yes, knight!—to queen six. Check.<br />
<br />
Gossage<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Gossage:<br />
<br />
Bishop to queen five. Checkmate.<br />
<br />
Sorry the competition proved too much for you, but if it's any consolation, several local chess masters have, upon observing your technique, flipped out. Should you want a rematch, I suggest we try Scrabble, a relatively new interest of mine, and one that I might conceivably not run away with so easily.<br />
<br />
Vardebedian<br />
____________________________________________<br />
Vardebedian,<br />
<br />
Rook to knight eight. Checkmate.<br />
<br />
Rather than torment you with the further details of my mate, as I believe you are basically a decent man (one day, some form of therapy will bear me out), I accept your invitation to Scrabble in good spirits. Get out your set. Since you played white in chess and thereby enjoyed the advantage of the first move (had I known your limitations, I would have spotted you more), I shall make the first play. The seven letters I have just turned up are O, A, E, J, N, R, and Z—an unpromising jumble that should guarantee, even to the most suspicious, the integrity of my draw. Fortunately, however, an extensive vocabulary coupled with a penchant for esoterica, has enabled me to bring etymological order out of what, to one less literate, might seem a mishmash. My first word is "ZANJERO." Look it up. Now lay it out, horizontally, the E resting on the center square. Count carefully, not overlooking the double word score for an opening move and the fifty-point bonus for my use of all seven letters. The score is now 116—0.<br />
<br />
Your move.<br />
Gossage]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Discourse Debates]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=323</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:09:12 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Last night we talked a little bit about having a series of debates.  The idea would be to gather a handful of willing participants, come up with debate topics to be assigned pairwise, and engage in some good debate.<br />
<br />
This thread can serve as a place to get some ideas out there before this thing gets set in motion.<br />
<br />
Things that you might post in this thread:<br />
     - Debate format<br />
     - How are topics chosen?<br />
     - How should topics/proposals be worded?<br />
     - Word limits (uniform or variable depending on serve/volley)<br />
     - Time limits<br />
     - Who would like to participate?<br />
     - Do we care to declare a "winner" or just do it for fun?<br />
     - Topic ideas<br />
     - Anything else I am not thinking about as I post this...<br />
<br />
What I have in mind (I'm open to suggestions) is gathering 1 or 2 topic questions worded in an affirmative/negative manner from each of the participants.  Then randomly choose n/2 questions and randomly assign two participants to each question, one in the affirmative and the other in the negative.<br />
<br />
Once we are ready to go, I will post each topic question and its participants along with position assignments.  The affirmative position will go first building the case for the proposition (250 words?, 5 days?).  Then the negative will have an opportunity to cross-examine the affirmative’s post and then build the case for the negative (300 words? 5 days?)<br />
<br />
After this initial exchange the affirmative will be given another 300 words (?) to cross-examine and rebut the negative.  Then the negative will be given the final 300 words in the structured format for rebuttal.<br />
<br />
At this point, the thread is open for discussion by anybody who wishes to participate, including the two original debaters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Last night we talked a little bit about having a series of debates.  The idea would be to gather a handful of willing participants, come up with debate topics to be assigned pairwise, and engage in some good debate.<br />
<br />
This thread can serve as a place to get some ideas out there before this thing gets set in motion.<br />
<br />
Things that you might post in this thread:<br />
     - Debate format<br />
     - How are topics chosen?<br />
     - How should topics/proposals be worded?<br />
     - Word limits (uniform or variable depending on serve/volley)<br />
     - Time limits<br />
     - Who would like to participate?<br />
     - Do we care to declare a "winner" or just do it for fun?<br />
     - Topic ideas<br />
     - Anything else I am not thinking about as I post this...<br />
<br />
What I have in mind (I'm open to suggestions) is gathering 1 or 2 topic questions worded in an affirmative/negative manner from each of the participants.  Then randomly choose n/2 questions and randomly assign two participants to each question, one in the affirmative and the other in the negative.<br />
<br />
Once we are ready to go, I will post each topic question and its participants along with position assignments.  The affirmative position will go first building the case for the proposition (250 words?, 5 days?).  Then the negative will have an opportunity to cross-examine the affirmative’s post and then build the case for the negative (300 words? 5 days?)<br />
<br />
After this initial exchange the affirmative will be given another 300 words (?) to cross-examine and rebut the negative.  Then the negative will be given the final 300 words in the structured format for rebuttal.<br />
<br />
At this point, the thread is open for discussion by anybody who wishes to participate, including the two original debaters.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Debates (audio, video, print...)]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=321</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:55:52 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I mentioned that I would post a link to the [[Christopher Hitchens&#93;&#93; / [[William Lane Craig&#93;&#93; debate that took place last month, but YouTube has apparently taken the video down "due to a copyright claim by Biola University".  Luckily, some people who don't care too much about Biola University's copyrights have posted the video elsewhere.  I cannot verify the links at the moment, so I will try to come back later and clean this post up, but the video and audio should be available here:<br />
<br />
Christopher Hitchens vs William Lane Craig.<br />
Biola University on April 4, 2009. <br />
<br />
<a href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4939620/Christopher_Hitchens_vs_William_Lane_Craig_debate_MP3" target="_blank">MP3 (bittorrent)</a><br />
<a href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4956388/Does_God_exist_debate_Christopher_Hitchens_vs_Craig_at_Biola_dvd" target="_blank">DVD (bittorrent) (I am not exactly sure what format "DVD" is...)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.bringyou.to/CraigStengerDebate.mp3" target="_blank">Alternate MP3 site</a><br />
<a href="http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&amp;videoid=37946867" target="_blank">Alternate video site</a> (ProAss tells me this link is not to the Hitch/WLC debate.  PirateBay might be the only way for now.)<br />
<br />
If you are new to torrents, give <a href="http://www.utorrent.com/downloads" target="_blank">utorrent</a> a try as a downloading client.<br />
<br />
There is a <span style="font-weight: bold;">treasure trove</span> of religious debate to be found <a href="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/audio.htm" target="_blank">at this Evangelical Catholic Apologetics website</a>.<br />
<br />
Many, many debates including several from names such as:<br />
<br />
William Lane Craig<br />
Alister McGrath<br />
Dinesh D'Souza<br />
Peter Atkins<br />
Antony Flew<br />
Austin Dacey<br />
Bart Ehrman<br />
Daniel Dennett<br />
Richard Dawkins<br />
Christopher Hitchens<br />
Sue Blackmore<br />
Dan Barker<br />
Reza Aslan<br />
Christopher Hedges<br />
Sam Harris<br />
Ken Miller<br />
William Dembski<br />
Michael Behe<br />
Eugenie Scott<br />
<br />
And many many many more.  Most of whom I have not heard of.<br />
<br />
If you watch or listen to a debate that you find particularly interesting, let us know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I mentioned that I would post a link to the [[Christopher Hitchens]] / [[William Lane Craig]] debate that took place last month, but YouTube has apparently taken the video down "due to a copyright claim by Biola University".  Luckily, some people who don't care too much about Biola University's copyrights have posted the video elsewhere.  I cannot verify the links at the moment, so I will try to come back later and clean this post up, but the video and audio should be available here:<br />
<br />
Christopher Hitchens vs William Lane Craig.<br />
Biola University on April 4, 2009. <br />
<br />
<a href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4939620/Christopher_Hitchens_vs_William_Lane_Craig_debate_MP3" target="_blank">MP3 (bittorrent)</a><br />
<a href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4956388/Does_God_exist_debate_Christopher_Hitchens_vs_Craig_at_Biola_dvd" target="_blank">DVD (bittorrent) (I am not exactly sure what format "DVD" is...)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.bringyou.to/CraigStengerDebate.mp3" target="_blank">Alternate MP3 site</a><br />
<a href="http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&amp;videoid=37946867" target="_blank">Alternate video site</a> (ProAss tells me this link is not to the Hitch/WLC debate.  PirateBay might be the only way for now.)<br />
<br />
If you are new to torrents, give <a href="http://www.utorrent.com/downloads" target="_blank">utorrent</a> a try as a downloading client.<br />
<br />
There is a <span style="font-weight: bold;">treasure trove</span> of religious debate to be found <a href="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/audio.htm" target="_blank">at this Evangelical Catholic Apologetics website</a>.<br />
<br />
Many, many debates including several from names such as:<br />
<br />
William Lane Craig<br />
Alister McGrath<br />
Dinesh D'Souza<br />
Peter Atkins<br />
Antony Flew<br />
Austin Dacey<br />
Bart Ehrman<br />
Daniel Dennett<br />
Richard Dawkins<br />
Christopher Hitchens<br />
Sue Blackmore<br />
Dan Barker<br />
Reza Aslan<br />
Christopher Hedges<br />
Sam Harris<br />
Ken Miller<br />
William Dembski<br />
Michael Behe<br />
Eugenie Scott<br />
<br />
And many many many more.  Most of whom I have not heard of.<br />
<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Hitler doesn't like EA Sports NCAA 2010]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=317</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:37:41 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://loserswithsocks.com/2009/06/11/hitler-and-ea-sports-ncaa-2010/" target="_blank">http://loserswithsocks.com/2009/06/11/hi...ncaa-2010/</a>]]></description>
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			<title><![CDATA[What makes life different?]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=315</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:18:39 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[If I cut off my finger and place it next to a rock, how are they different?  One is (was) alive, and the other has never been alive.<br />
<br />
I do not see them as that different - just different ways that matter steadily changes over time.  A living being grows and dies.  A rock is transformed by wind, rain, gravity, living beings throwing them and more.<br />
<br />
Rather than this being a "reductionist" view of life (reducing its value, that is), I think it's actually an optimistic view that all things are connected.  Everything has value and is a part of the whole.<br />
<br />
Yet, life is still different in some way.  Consciousness is present on different levels from the smallest plant up to humans (and the super aliens out there!).  But still, is an electron in an atom in my body very different than an electron in an atom in the rock?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[If I cut off my finger and place it next to a rock, how are they different?  One is (was) alive, and the other has never been alive.<br />
<br />
I do not see them as that different - just different ways that matter steadily changes over time.  A living being grows and dies.  A rock is transformed by wind, rain, gravity, living beings throwing them and more.<br />
<br />
Rather than this being a "reductionist" view of life (reducing its value, that is), I think it's actually an optimistic view that all things are connected.  Everything has value and is a part of the whole.<br />
<br />
Yet, life is still different in some way.  Consciousness is present on different levels from the smallest plant up to humans (and the super aliens out there!).  But still, is an electron in an atom in my body very different than an electron in an atom in the rock?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Multiverse]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=313</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:30:09 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Ahhhh, the multiverse.<br />
<br />
A couple of quotes from Michio Kaku's book "Parallel Worlds"   <br />
<br />
I know, I know, read another book, POM....<br />
<br />
"I learned that there were two types of cosmologies in religion, the first based on a single moment when God created the universe, the second based on the idea that the universe always was and always will be.  They couldn't both be right, I thought....."<br />
<br />
"What is gradually emerging from the data is a grand synthesis of these two opposing mythologies.  Perhaps, scientists speculate, Genesis occurs repeatedly in a timeless ocean of Nirvana. ......A growing number of physicists suggest that our universe did indeed spring forth from a fiery cataclysm, the big bang, but that it also coexists in an eternal ocean of other universe.  If we are right, big bangs are taking place even as you read this sentence."<br />
<br />
As to inflation theory, physical Joel Primack has said, "No theory as beautiful as this has ever been wrong before."<br />
<br />
Kaku says, "By assuming that the early universe underwent this process of inflation, one can almost effortlessly explain many of the puzzles concerning the universe, such as why it appears to be flat and uniform."<br />
<br />
Alan Guth says, "Inflation pretty much forces the idea of multiple universe upon us."]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Ahhhh, the multiverse.<br />
<br />
A couple of quotes from Michio Kaku's book "Parallel Worlds"   <br />
<br />
I know, I know, read another book, POM....<br />
<br />
"I learned that there were two types of cosmologies in religion, the first based on a single moment when God created the universe, the second based on the idea that the universe always was and always will be.  They couldn't both be right, I thought....."<br />
<br />
"What is gradually emerging from the data is a grand synthesis of these two opposing mythologies.  Perhaps, scientists speculate, Genesis occurs repeatedly in a timeless ocean of Nirvana. ......A growing number of physicists suggest that our universe did indeed spring forth from a fiery cataclysm, the big bang, but that it also coexists in an eternal ocean of other universe.  If we are right, big bangs are taking place even as you read this sentence."<br />
<br />
As to inflation theory, physical Joel Primack has said, "No theory as beautiful as this has ever been wrong before."<br />
<br />
Kaku says, "By assuming that the early universe underwent this process of inflation, one can almost effortlessly explain many of the puzzles concerning the universe, such as why it appears to be flat and uniform."<br />
<br />
Alan Guth says, "Inflation pretty much forces the idea of multiple universe upon us."]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Montane Unicorns]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=311</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 09:20:10 -0700</pubDate>
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<a href="http://biology.ucf.edu/~pascencio/classes/Methods/Hurbelrt%20unicorn.pdf" target="_blank">Spatial distribution of the Montane Unicorn</a>]]></description>
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<a href="http://biology.ucf.edu/~pascencio/classes/Methods/Hurbelrt%20unicorn.pdf" target="_blank">Spatial distribution of the Montane Unicorn</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Oklahoma Stuff]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=309</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 13:53:52 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/national/44295817.html" target="_blank">Mother goes to jail for letting friend blow pot smoke into her child's face.</a><br />
<br />
She is now going to spend the next 10 years in prison.  10 years.  Let that sink in.  For watching a friend blow a puff of a relatively harmless substance towards her child ( I was not able to view the video, so let me know if I have it wrong). 10 years of freaking prison.<br />
<br />
Had her friend been wielding a holy book and a scalpel - removing bits of the kid's penis, this would be a cause for celebration.  Had her friend been giving the child cough syrup, or benedril, or baby asprin (all having a greater potential for harm), this would have been not that big of a deal.  Unfortunately this is not the case.  <br />
<br />
She will be spending the next 10 years in prison. Not for dosing her child, but for watching somebody do something to her child that cannot be demonstrated as significantly harmful.  Obviously it is not the best thing to do to a child, but 10 years... come on!<br />
<br />
Land of the free.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/national/44295817.html" target="_blank">Mother goes to jail for letting friend blow pot smoke into her child's face.</a><br />
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She is now going to spend the next 10 years in prison.  10 years.  Let that sink in.  For watching a friend blow a puff of a relatively harmless substance towards her child ( I was not able to view the video, so let me know if I have it wrong). 10 years of freaking prison.<br />
<br />
Had her friend been wielding a holy book and a scalpel - removing bits of the kid's penis, this would be a cause for celebration.  Had her friend been giving the child cough syrup, or benedril, or baby asprin (all having a greater potential for harm), this would have been not that big of a deal.  Unfortunately this is not the case.  <br />
<br />
She will be spending the next 10 years in prison. Not for dosing her child, but for watching somebody do something to her child that cannot be demonstrated as significantly harmful.  Obviously it is not the best thing to do to a child, but 10 years... come on!<br />
<br />
Land of the free.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Origins Symposium]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=308</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:58:55 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Read this, watch this, listen to this.  Seriously.</span></span><br />
<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium" target="_blank">Origins Symposium</a><br />
  	<br />
Science, Society and The Merchants of Light:<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/science-society-and-the-merchants-of-light" target="_blank">A conversation between Roger Bingham and Richard Dawkins, AC Grayling, Brian Greene, Lawrence Krauss and Steven Pinker.</a><br />
<br />
Session 1: The Universe, Multiverse, Physical Laws:<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/sid-bacon" target="_blank">-Sid Bacon</a><br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/lawrence-m-krauss" target="_blank">-Lawrence Krauss</a><br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/frank-wylczek" target="_blank">-Frank Wilczek: The Big Questions</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/panel-1-how-far-back-can-we-go" target="_blank">Panel 1: How Far Back Can We Go?</a><br />
-Moderated by Michael Turner<br />
-Steven Weinberg:  How can we probe inflation?<br />
-James Peebles:  Is all well with the Universe?<br />
-Brian Greene:  What can string theory do?<br />
-Lawrence Krauss:  Are there fundamental theoretical limits?  <br />
<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/panel-2-is-our-universe-unique-and-how-can-we-find-out" target="_blank">Panel 2: Is Our Universe Unique, and How Can We Find Out?</a><br />
-Moderated by Paul Davies<br />
-Andrei Linde<br />
-Alan Guth<br />
-David Gross<br />
-Sheldon Glashow<br />
-Alex Vilenkin<br />
<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/panel-3-new-windows-on-the-universe-what-is-knowable" target="_blank">Panel 3: New Windows on the Universe: What is Knowable?</a><br />
-Moderated by Wendy Freedman<br />
-Barry Barish<br />
-Adam Riess<br />
-John Ruhl<br />
-John Mather<br />
-Maria Spiropulu<br />
-Roger Blandford<br />
<br />
Steven Pinker<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/steven-pinker" target="_blank">The Cognitive Niche</a><br />
<br />
Don Johanson<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/don-johanson" target="_blank">Darwin and Human Origins</a><br />
<br />
Brian Greene<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/brian-greene" target="_blank">A conversation with Brian Greene from Columbia University and Lawrence Krauss.</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/panel-on-science-and-culture-hugh-downs-ann-druyan-neil-degrasse-tyson" target="_blank">Science and Society Panel</a><br />
-Moderated by Roger Bingham<br />
-Hugh Downs<br />
-Claudia Dreifus<br />
-Ann Druyan<br />
-Lucy Hawking<br />
-Neil deGrasse Tyson<br />
<br />
Stephen Hawking<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/why-go-into-space" target="_blank">Why Go into Space?</a><br />
<br />
NPR's Science Friday Presents:<br />
<a href="http://www.sciencefriday.com/asuoriginsstream.html" target="_blank">ASU Origins Symposium Web Stream</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200904031" target="_blank">Big Questions in Cosmology (broadcast Friday, April 3rd, 2009)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200904032" target="_blank">Astrobiology and the Origins of Life (broadcast Friday, April 3rd, 2009)</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Read this, watch this, listen to this.  Seriously.</span></span><br />
<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium" target="_blank">Origins Symposium</a><br />
  	<br />
Science, Society and The Merchants of Light:<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/science-society-and-the-merchants-of-light" target="_blank">A conversation between Roger Bingham and Richard Dawkins, AC Grayling, Brian Greene, Lawrence Krauss and Steven Pinker.</a><br />
<br />
Session 1: The Universe, Multiverse, Physical Laws:<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/sid-bacon" target="_blank">-Sid Bacon</a><br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/lawrence-m-krauss" target="_blank">-Lawrence Krauss</a><br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/frank-wylczek" target="_blank">-Frank Wilczek: The Big Questions</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/panel-1-how-far-back-can-we-go" target="_blank">Panel 1: How Far Back Can We Go?</a><br />
-Moderated by Michael Turner<br />
-Steven Weinberg:  How can we probe inflation?<br />
-James Peebles:  Is all well with the Universe?<br />
-Brian Greene:  What can string theory do?<br />
-Lawrence Krauss:  Are there fundamental theoretical limits?  <br />
<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/panel-2-is-our-universe-unique-and-how-can-we-find-out" target="_blank">Panel 2: Is Our Universe Unique, and How Can We Find Out?</a><br />
-Moderated by Paul Davies<br />
-Andrei Linde<br />
-Alan Guth<br />
-David Gross<br />
-Sheldon Glashow<br />
-Alex Vilenkin<br />
<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/panel-3-new-windows-on-the-universe-what-is-knowable" target="_blank">Panel 3: New Windows on the Universe: What is Knowable?</a><br />
-Moderated by Wendy Freedman<br />
-Barry Barish<br />
-Adam Riess<br />
-John Ruhl<br />
-John Mather<br />
-Maria Spiropulu<br />
-Roger Blandford<br />
<br />
Steven Pinker<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/steven-pinker" target="_blank">The Cognitive Niche</a><br />
<br />
Don Johanson<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/don-johanson" target="_blank">Darwin and Human Origins</a><br />
<br />
Brian Greene<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/brian-greene" target="_blank">A conversation with Brian Greene from Columbia University and Lawrence Krauss.</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/panel-on-science-and-culture-hugh-downs-ann-druyan-neil-degrasse-tyson" target="_blank">Science and Society Panel</a><br />
-Moderated by Roger Bingham<br />
-Hugh Downs<br />
-Claudia Dreifus<br />
-Ann Druyan<br />
-Lucy Hawking<br />
-Neil deGrasse Tyson<br />
<br />
Stephen Hawking<br />
<a href="http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/origins-symposium/why-go-into-space" target="_blank">Why Go into Space?</a><br />
<br />
NPR's Science Friday Presents:<br />
<a href="http://www.sciencefriday.com/asuoriginsstream.html" target="_blank">ASU Origins Symposium Web Stream</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200904031" target="_blank">Big Questions in Cosmology (broadcast Friday, April 3rd, 2009)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200904032" target="_blank">Astrobiology and the Origins of Life (broadcast Friday, April 3rd, 2009)</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Selection]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=307</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:56:53 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Sexual selection has an interesting aspect that can have a bigger impact than other types of selection. <br />
<br />
The interesting thing about sexual selection is its unique opportunity for an especially explosive positive feedback loop.  A positive feedback loop is one in which a small deviation in the system leads to increased deviations in the same direction as the original deviation.  Predator-Prey arms races are good examples of positive feedback loops from non-sexual selection.  A small change in a predator’s ability to run fast can eventually be met with its prey being able to run faster, and therefore leading back to a necessity for increased speed in the predator.  This process loops over and over. <br />
<br />
But sexual selection can offer an even more explosive positive feedback loop.  A male can incur the added costs of extravagant attractiveness, even at the cost of his own life, because he will have increased chances for mating before his untimely death.  Running faster will keep the predators at bay, but growing that extra-long tail, for example, will get the attention, or preference of the ladies.  As long as the male can mate and preserve its genes, longevity past this point is of no real concern. <br />
<br />
Here is where the real explosion comes in.  In his book, The Genetical Theory of Natural Selection, R.A. Fisher showed how female preference is a legitimate object of sexual selection.  In fact, it is the driving force of sexual selection.  In the example of extra-long tails, females with a sexual preference for slightly longer tails will choose males with slightly longer tails.  This pair will have male offspring with an increased probability for longer tails and female offspring with an increased preference for males with longer tail.  The positive feedback look ensues, and the population of long tail preferring females and long tale having males sees a geometric increase. <br />
<br />
Can this example of sexual selection be compared to human sexual selection?  Sure it can.  I view culture gaining its complexity through replication, variation, and selection.  A genetic trait that could have led to increased fitness might have been the ability to imitate.  If a neighbor did all the R&amp;D work necessary to come up with a valuable tool, or other idea, it would be very beneficial to imitate his actions rather than have to do the R&amp;D work over again.  Male imitators fare better, females prefer imitators, they have male and female offspring that respectively are good imitators and prefer good imitators, there is geometric increase in imitators in population.  From there, one can see the beginnings of culture emerging.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Sexual selection has an interesting aspect that can have a bigger impact than other types of selection. <br />
<br />
The interesting thing about sexual selection is its unique opportunity for an especially explosive positive feedback loop.  A positive feedback loop is one in which a small deviation in the system leads to increased deviations in the same direction as the original deviation.  Predator-Prey arms races are good examples of positive feedback loops from non-sexual selection.  A small change in a predator’s ability to run fast can eventually be met with its prey being able to run faster, and therefore leading back to a necessity for increased speed in the predator.  This process loops over and over. <br />
<br />
But sexual selection can offer an even more explosive positive feedback loop.  A male can incur the added costs of extravagant attractiveness, even at the cost of his own life, because he will have increased chances for mating before his untimely death.  Running faster will keep the predators at bay, but growing that extra-long tail, for example, will get the attention, or preference of the ladies.  As long as the male can mate and preserve its genes, longevity past this point is of no real concern. <br />
<br />
Here is where the real explosion comes in.  In his book, The Genetical Theory of Natural Selection, R.A. Fisher showed how female preference is a legitimate object of sexual selection.  In fact, it is the driving force of sexual selection.  In the example of extra-long tails, females with a sexual preference for slightly longer tails will choose males with slightly longer tails.  This pair will have male offspring with an increased probability for longer tails and female offspring with an increased preference for males with longer tail.  The positive feedback look ensues, and the population of long tail preferring females and long tale having males sees a geometric increase. <br />
<br />
Can this example of sexual selection be compared to human sexual selection?  Sure it can.  I view culture gaining its complexity through replication, variation, and selection.  A genetic trait that could have led to increased fitness might have been the ability to imitate.  If a neighbor did all the R&amp;D work necessary to come up with a valuable tool, or other idea, it would be very beneficial to imitate his actions rather than have to do the R&amp;D work over again.  Male imitators fare better, females prefer imitators, they have male and female offspring that respectively are good imitators and prefer good imitators, there is geometric increase in imitators in population.  From there, one can see the beginnings of culture emerging.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Evolution in E. coli.]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=305</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:19:22 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I was talking about a study demonstrating adaptation and evolution in E. coli to FreedomHater yesterday and I said I would post a link to the study.  I had the gist of the study, but I was off on some important details.<br />
<br />
Here is the abstract:<br />
<blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite> The role of historical contingency in evolution has been much debated, but rarely tested. Twelve initially identical populations of Escherichia coli were founded in 1988 to investigate this issue. They have since evolved in a glucose-limited medium that also contains citrate, which E. coli cannot use as a carbon source under oxic conditions. No population evolved the capacity to exploit citrate for &gt;30,000 generations, although each population tested billions of mutations. A citrate-using (Cit(+)) variant finally evolved in one population by 31,500 generations, causing an increase in population size and diversity. The long-delayed and unique evolution of this function might indicate the involvement of some extremely rare mutation. Alternately, it may involve an ordinary mutation, but one whose physical occurrence or phenotypic expression is contingent on prior mutations in that population. We tested these hypotheses in experiments that "replayed" evolution from different points in that population's history. We observed no Cit(+) mutants among 8.4 x 10^12 ancestral cells, nor among 9 x 10^12 cells from 60 clones sampled in the first 15,000 generations. However, we observed a significantly greater tendency for later clones to evolve Cit(+), indicating that some potentiating mutation arose by 20,000 generations. This potentiating change increased the mutation rate to Cit(+) but did not cause generalized hypermutability. Thus, the evolution of this phenotype was contingent on the particular history of that population. More generally, we suggest that historical contingency is especially important when it facilitates the evolution of key innovations that are not easily evolved by gradual, cumulative selection.</blockquote>
<br />
<br />
Blount ZD, Borland CZ, Lenski RE (2008) Historical contingency and the evolution of a key innovation in an experimental population of <span style="font-style: italic;">Escherichia coli.</span> Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 105(23):7899-7906.<br />
<br />
Here is Carl Zimmer on it:<br />
- <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2008/06/02/a_new_step_in_evolution.php" target="_blank">A New Step In Evolution</a><br />
- <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/science/26lab.html?ex=1347336000&amp;en=ec02dfd3f6fb0b49&amp;ei=5124&amp;partner=permalink&amp;exprod=permalink" target="_blank">Fast-Reproducing Microbes Provide a Window on Natural Selection </a><br />
Here is PZ Myers on it:<br />
- <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/06/historical_contingency_in_the.php" target="_blank">Historical contingency in the evolution of E. coli</a><br />
And PZ’s comments on the drama that followed involving the Conservapedia guy and the researchers <br />
- <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/06/hubris_gall_arroganceinanity.php" target="_blank">Hubris, gall, arrogance…inanity</a><br />
- <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/06/lenski_gives_conservapdia_a_le.php" target="_blank">Lenski gives Conservapædia a lesson</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I was talking about a study demonstrating adaptation and evolution in E. coli to FreedomHater yesterday and I said I would post a link to the study.  I had the gist of the study, but I was off on some important details.<br />
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Here is the abstract:<br />
<blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite> The role of historical contingency in evolution has been much debated, but rarely tested. Twelve initially identical populations of Escherichia coli were founded in 1988 to investigate this issue. They have since evolved in a glucose-limited medium that also contains citrate, which E. coli cannot use as a carbon source under oxic conditions. No population evolved the capacity to exploit citrate for &gt;30,000 generations, although each population tested billions of mutations. A citrate-using (Cit(+)) variant finally evolved in one population by 31,500 generations, causing an increase in population size and diversity. The long-delayed and unique evolution of this function might indicate the involvement of some extremely rare mutation. Alternately, it may involve an ordinary mutation, but one whose physical occurrence or phenotypic expression is contingent on prior mutations in that population. We tested these hypotheses in experiments that "replayed" evolution from different points in that population's history. We observed no Cit(+) mutants among 8.4 x 10^12 ancestral cells, nor among 9 x 10^12 cells from 60 clones sampled in the first 15,000 generations. However, we observed a significantly greater tendency for later clones to evolve Cit(+), indicating that some potentiating mutation arose by 20,000 generations. This potentiating change increased the mutation rate to Cit(+) but did not cause generalized hypermutability. Thus, the evolution of this phenotype was contingent on the particular history of that population. More generally, we suggest that historical contingency is especially important when it facilitates the evolution of key innovations that are not easily evolved by gradual, cumulative selection.</blockquote>
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Blount ZD, Borland CZ, Lenski RE (2008) Historical contingency and the evolution of a key innovation in an experimental population of <span style="font-style: italic;">Escherichia coli.</span> Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 105(23):7899-7906.<br />
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Here is Carl Zimmer on it:<br />
- <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2008/06/02/a_new_step_in_evolution.php" target="_blank">A New Step In Evolution</a><br />
- <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/science/26lab.html?ex=1347336000&amp;en=ec02dfd3f6fb0b49&amp;ei=5124&amp;partner=permalink&amp;exprod=permalink" target="_blank">Fast-Reproducing Microbes Provide a Window on Natural Selection </a><br />
Here is PZ Myers on it:<br />
- <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/06/historical_contingency_in_the.php" target="_blank">Historical contingency in the evolution of E. coli</a><br />
And PZ’s comments on the drama that followed involving the Conservapedia guy and the researchers <br />
- <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/06/hubris_gall_arroganceinanity.php" target="_blank">Hubris, gall, arrogance…inanity</a><br />
- <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/06/lenski_gives_conservapdia_a_le.php" target="_blank">Lenski gives Conservapædia a lesson</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Having Children]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/01/why-does-anyone-have-children/" target="_blank"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Does Having Children Make You Unhappy?</span></a><br />
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I have found this to be a very taboo subject.  In ordinary company, the norm is often to speak of having children as nothing short of little bundles of joy.  Parents can joke about the “terrible twos” and are often allowed to comment on teen angst and various expenses, but it seems to me that once it is all added up, the sum must be displayed as a net positive.  If you want to remain polite.<br />
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As I reached the age where friends are having children, I began to notice more truth spilling out.  The difficulties become more apparent and the closer you are to someone, the more likely they are to be candid about the ups and downs of parenthood.  But consider how rare it is to hear somebody conclude that having children results in a net unhappiness.<br />
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 <blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite> ...numerous scholars have found some evidence that, on aggregate, parents often report <span style="font-weight: bold;">statistically significantly lower levels of happiness</span> (Alesina et al., 2004), <span style="font-weight: bold;">life satisfaction</span> (Di Tella et al., 2003), <span style="font-weight: bold;">marital satisfaction</span> (Twenge et al., 2003) <span style="font-weight: bold;">and mental well-being</span> (Clark &amp; Oswald, 2002) <span style="font-weight: bold;">compared with non-parents</span>.</blockquote>
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That is a huge statement.  Replace parenting in this sentence with another activity and you are likely to find your self at odds with the law for engaging in such a behavior.  Of course I don’t think reproduction is even remotely something that needs to be outlawed, in fact, laws should generally steer clear of personal levels of happiness etc.  <br />
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In posting on this topic, I do not intend to denigrate the happiness that parenting can and does bring.  I know I am preaching to the choir here, but I guess the up part of parenting gets its fair share of exposure and the downside is greatly underrepresented.  I find this interesting, that’s all.  Maybe there is a good reason for this taboo and I should not be posting this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/01/why-does-anyone-have-children/" target="_blank"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Does Having Children Make You Unhappy?</span></a><br />
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I have found this to be a very taboo subject.  In ordinary company, the norm is often to speak of having children as nothing short of little bundles of joy.  Parents can joke about the “terrible twos” and are often allowed to comment on teen angst and various expenses, but it seems to me that once it is all added up, the sum must be displayed as a net positive.  If you want to remain polite.<br />
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As I reached the age where friends are having children, I began to notice more truth spilling out.  The difficulties become more apparent and the closer you are to someone, the more likely they are to be candid about the ups and downs of parenthood.  But consider how rare it is to hear somebody conclude that having children results in a net unhappiness.<br />
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 <blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite> ...numerous scholars have found some evidence that, on aggregate, parents often report <span style="font-weight: bold;">statistically significantly lower levels of happiness</span> (Alesina et al., 2004), <span style="font-weight: bold;">life satisfaction</span> (Di Tella et al., 2003), <span style="font-weight: bold;">marital satisfaction</span> (Twenge et al., 2003) <span style="font-weight: bold;">and mental well-being</span> (Clark &amp; Oswald, 2002) <span style="font-weight: bold;">compared with non-parents</span>.</blockquote>
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That is a huge statement.  Replace parenting in this sentence with another activity and you are likely to find your self at odds with the law for engaging in such a behavior.  Of course I don’t think reproduction is even remotely something that needs to be outlawed, in fact, laws should generally steer clear of personal levels of happiness etc.  <br />
<br />
In posting on this topic, I do not intend to denigrate the happiness that parenting can and does bring.  I know I am preaching to the choir here, but I guess the up part of parenting gets its fair share of exposure and the downside is greatly underrepresented.  I find this interesting, that’s all.  Maybe there is a good reason for this taboo and I should not be posting this.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[South by Southwest 2009]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=302</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:39:46 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[All of the music hosted on the SXSW 2009 website has been complied into a few bittorrent files, available free and without guilt. Over 1,000 songs / six gigabytes.<br />
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<a href="http://sites.google.com/site/sxsw2009torrent/" target="_blank">Torrents available here.</a><br />
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DO, what was the name of your brother's band?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[All of the music hosted on the SXSW 2009 website has been complied into a few bittorrent files, available free and without guilt. Over 1,000 songs / six gigabytes.<br />
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<a href="http://sites.google.com/site/sxsw2009torrent/" target="_blank">Torrents available here.</a><br />
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DO, what was the name of your brother's band?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Interesting Articles to Share]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=301</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:30:08 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7946737.stm" target="_blank">Guitarists Don't Just Play Together, Their Brain Waves Sync Too</a><br />
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<blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite>Getting in the groove goes deeper than just hitting the notes at the right time, it seems. Musicians playing the same tune together have brain patterns that are virtually identical, researchers find.</blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7946737.stm" target="_blank">Guitarists Don't Just Play Together, Their Brain Waves Sync Too</a><br />
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<blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite>Getting in the groove goes deeper than just hitting the notes at the right time, it seems. Musicians playing the same tune together have brain patterns that are virtually identical, researchers find.</blockquote>
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			<title><![CDATA[Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban]]></title>
			<link>http://www.discourseboard.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=298</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:19:32 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&amp;page=1" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&#x26;page=1</a><br />
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I couldn't be more disappointed.  Why push such a divisive issue during our current economic woes, it just makes no sense.  It'd be one thing if there was clear empirical evidence this ban would reduce crime or make it harder for a criminal to get his hands on a gun, but the only thing I see this doing is rallying the right.  I can just hear the republifags now, and I AGREE WITH THEM.  DAMN YOU OBAMA!!!<br />
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I can't tell you how many times I said "He's not gonna take away your f*cking guns."  I've got to apologize to half a dozen people now.<br />
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My favorite reddit quote on this :<br />
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<blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite>Bush did everything the right is screaming about, except he left guns alone. As Greenwald said:<br />
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The Bush admin. began "limitless, unchecked surveillance activities, detention powers with no oversight, expanding federal police powers, secret prison camps, even massively exploding and debt-financed domestic spending."<br />
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And nobody on the right said jack shit about it. But Bush left guns alone. That was his genius. Savant retard genius, but genius nonetheless.</blockquote>
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I couldn't be more disappointed.  Why push such a divisive issue during our current economic woes, it just makes no sense.  It'd be one thing if there was clear empirical evidence this ban would reduce crime or make it harder for a criminal to get his hands on a gun, but the only thing I see this doing is rallying the right.  I can just hear the republifags now, and I AGREE WITH THEM.  DAMN YOU OBAMA!!!<br />
<br />
I can't tell you how many times I said "He's not gonna take away your f*cking guns."  I've got to apologize to half a dozen people now.<br />
<br />
My favorite reddit quote on this :<br />
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<blockquote><cite>Quote:</cite>Bush did everything the right is screaming about, except he left guns alone. As Greenwald said:<br />
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The Bush admin. began "limitless, unchecked surveillance activities, detention powers with no oversight, expanding federal police powers, secret prison camps, even massively exploding and debt-financed domestic spending."<br />
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And nobody on the right said jack shit about it. But Bush left guns alone. That was his genius. Savant retard genius, but genius nonetheless.</blockquote>
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